USC vs. UCLA vs. Columbia vs. LMU MFA Screenwriting and possibly NYU after interview

I’m a an aspiring television writer who has just been accepted into Columbia’s Writing for Screen and Television, USC’s Writing for Film and Television, LMU’s Writing and Producing for Television, and UCLA’s Screenwriting MFA for the TV track. I’m so grateful to have four great options so far, but I’ve been struggling to decide. I've only graduated with my Bachelor's from Cornell around 10 months ago, where I studied English and Sociology, but since then I've struggled to get entertainment internships and entry level positions like Mailroom Clerk and Office PA positions that could lead to Scripted Assistant gigs.

Columbia
Even with a $25,000 scholarship for 2 years, Columbia is extremely expensive and their program is only a couple of years old, and most television writing happens in Los Angeles. It’s also three years long. I did really like the interviewers and I would love a chance to direct. However, after a very expensive undergraduate education I hesitate to take on over $200k more debt so soon.

UCLA
UCLA has a quarter system that would allow me to take multiple workshops and in each I. can complete a pilot, rewrite, and digital series bible within 10 weeks. I think I would also qualify for in-state tuition and as long as I take a course, I'd be more likely to be guaranteed 1-2 TA’ships for the second year that pays California tuition + around $2250/10 hours or $4000/20 hours monthly stipend as long as I complete a TA course. I have also heard that it is pretty easy to get into directing/cinematography electives and access equipment and soundstages if I’d like to make a short film. Since the tuition is fixed and not by the credit, I think I’d get to take more classes without worrying about paying additional tuition per credit. My only concern about this program is that I’ve not heard the best things about networking although many professors are actively working WGA members. I also think saving money with this program would let me take classes in my other creative interests outside of UCLA through comedy/acting classes like UCB or recent interests I've had in singing/songwriting. I've always considered myself a multi-hyphenate, though my other interests come second to television writing.

USC
USC has a well-rounded writing program that encourages writing both features and television. It also has production and business elements built into the curriculum. The facilities are unparalleled for production, but as a writer, I’ve heard I’d have very limited access even if I were to take a production class, as I’d love to direct my own short. I keep hearing that USC’s network is unparalleled, but does this really go as far as getting staffed or selling pilots soon after USC? Would USC's network be impossible to build at UCLA and worth risking a hefty price tag? I haven’t heard back about scholarships or financial aid either, and am unsure whether they have been given out already. I also don’t know if it will be more difficult to get a TA’ship at USC than UCLA, though I have heard they put a much smaller dent in tuition, around $3k a semester plus stipend. My bachelor’s degree had a similar price tag to USC’s so I am hesitant to take on this much debt with no promise of aid.

LMU
LMU’s program is focused more on show running. It eases students into the program, but is three years long. It culminates in a thesis project that I will produce as a sizzle reel or short film in the third year and 3-5 polished scripts. This would be a cool opportunity to take control of the production process and write at the same time, as being creator and showrunner is an eventual goal of mine. The elective offerings seem limited compared to other schools. It is a lower price tag than the other programs, but I’d prefer to graduate in 2 years rather than three.

NYU
Don't want to get ahead of myself on NYU, but my concerns with NYU are pretty similar to USC. Many of my favorite shows began as plays, and I would become a well-rounded writer because of how writing-intensive the program is. I also do really admire the work of their recent Dramatic Writing alumni, but it's not in Los Angeles and is a more expensive program so I'm not sure it's the best choice for television writing.

Thank you so much for your help and input in advance!!
 
That's a good writeup of pros/cons. If it were me I'd choose the program that is the most well rounded, affordable, and is the most likely to push you further in your career... Which sounds like UCLA according to what you wrote. I'm not familiar with any networking issues but I'm not intimately familiar with any school. All my current knowledge is just reading here what people say on the site and from the interviews we do as my film school experience was yikes a quarter century ago.

From the database (please log your applications) it looks like @Arthrax @BR2023 @hcoles are attending UCLA. Maybe they'll see this and weigh in.

Also is the TV Screenwriting track different than the regular Screenwriting UCLA track? Should I add another pulldown option to the database?

USC has long been rumored (and from what I can tell actually does) have a good alumni Mafia but nothing is a guaranteed. I'm not too familiar with LMU's program except that it's right on the ocean and is beautiful. Not a reason to go there though. We've been trying hard to get an interview with LMU's admissions for a little while now. Hopefully it'll happen.

If you want to break into TV it seems to me like LA would be the best option unless you absolutely love NYC. However I'm sure that Columbia and NYU programs are very good - the issue is that you're not in LA to get those connections and first jobs. Do they offer anything to help with that issue?

Hope this helps and others weigh in! :) When do you have to choose?

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@futuretelevisionwriter02 Congratulations on your acceptances. You seem to have a handle on the pros/cons and Chris offers good advice. Yes, I'm a 2nd year Screenwriting MFA at UCLA and happy to chat further if you want to PM me.

@Chris W A couple years ago UCLA started two different tracks for the Screenwriting cohort: Feature and TV. You choose one or the other when you apply by submitting either TV pilots or feature-length scripts. Both tracks have the same general requirements to graduate but TV track need 3 TV scripts (1 comedy, 2 drama or other way around) + a feature. And Feature track students need 3 Feature scripts (2 original and 1 adaptation or the other way around) + a rewrite.

I think it's a common misconception but LMU is actually close to the airport! Pepperdine is the one on the hill above the ocean :)
 
A couple years ago UCLA started two different tracks for the Screenwriting cohort: Feature and TV.
Thanks for the info....hmm... Since their MFA page still has it as one track I'll think I'll leave the choices in the pulldown menu as is right now.


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@futuretelevisionwriter02 Congratulations on your acceptances. You seem to have a handle on the pros/cons and Chris offers good advice. Yes, I'm a 2nd year Screenwriting MFA at UCLA and happy to chat further if you want to PM me.

@Chris W A couple years ago UCLA started two different tracks for the Screenwriting cohort: Feature and TV. You choose one or the other when you apply by submitting either TV pilots or feature-length scripts. Both tracks have the same general requirements to graduate but TV track need 3 TV scripts (1 comedy, 2 drama or other way around) + a feature. And Feature track students need 3 Feature scripts (2 original and 1 adaptation or the other way around) + a rewrite.

I think it's a common misconception but LMU is actually close to the airport! Pepperdine is the one on the hill above the ocean :)
I should note that there are opportunities to take TV classes for feature track students like me. I’ll be writing my 4th pilot and bible in the spring quarter.
 
I should note that there are opportunities to take TV classes for feature track students like me. I’ll be writing my 4th pilot and bible in the spring quarter.
Piggybacking on your thread to ask a question! I'm probably attending UCLA in the fall and during the interview, Phyllis mentioned that some students stay and take classes for an additional third year before graduating. I didn't have time to ask her more about it - would you happen to know how that works? Can you take classes outside of your concentration (i.e. production classes as a screenwriter)?
 
Piggybacking on your thread to ask a question! I'm probably attending UCLA in the fall and during the interview, Phyllis mentioned that some students stay and take classes for an additional third year before graduating. I didn't have time to ask her more about it - would you happen to know how that works? Can you take classes outside of your concentration (i.e. production classes as a screenwriter)?
I did read a pretty negative article a few years ago about UCLA that said that they tried to get rid of the option to do a third year for Screenwriting. On the Screenwriting MFA program page, they say "The Screenwriting program has the following time-to-degree requirement: A minimum of six quarters; maximum of seven quarters. The minimum total units required to graduate is 72 units (12 courses). Maintenance of a B average GPA." So I guess you would need a minimum of only 2 courses a quarter to graduate on time.

I have heard from a first-year student that it's a pretty flexible program where you get a list of electives every quarter. Since you pay by the quarter and not the credit I think as long as there's space that quarter you should be fine.
 
I've been hearing really mixed things on networking and meeting industry professionals at UCLA. I've been told by an AFI grad that wherever you go, don't expect connections and opportunities to be handed to you, so I'm trying to find out whether USC is an exception to that rule or not.
 
I've been told by an AFI grad that wherever you go, don't expect connections and opportunities to be handed to you
This is definitely true everywhere. Even USC. Film School is just the beginning. You have to work your ass off. Nothing is handed to you.
 
Piggybacking on your thread to ask a question! I'm probably attending UCLA in the fall and during the interview, Phyllis mentioned that some students stay and take classes for an additional third year before graduating. I didn't have time to ask her more about it - would you happen to know how that works? Can you take classes outside of your concentration (i.e. production classes as a screenwriter)?
I don't think a 3rd year is possible. The two-year program consists of a total of 6 quarters. Most have all their requirements out of the way by the end of their 5th quarter. As @futuretelevisionwriter02 noted, the max is 7 quarters, which would mean one additional quarter after the two year program. But I haven't heard of anyone doing that and if I remember correctly, I was told they make sure their students graduate on time otherwise those kinds of numbers can mess with their budget. The 7 quarter rule is probably mandated by the University itself.
 
I don't think a 3rd year is possible. The two-year program consists of a total of 6 quarters. Most have all their requirements out of the way by the end of their 5th quarter. As @futuretelevisionwriter02 noted, the max is 7 quarters, which would mean one additional quarter after the two year program. But I haven't heard of anyone doing that and if I remember correctly, I was told they make sure their students graduate on time otherwise those kinds of numbers can mess with their budget. The 7 quarter rule is probably mandated by the University itself.
Ah interesting! I wonder what Phyllis was talking about, she said that the 2 years is "more a suggestion" and people can do additional classes but maybe she was just referring to one additional quarter. I guess I'll find out when I get there! TY for the insight.
 
I did read a pretty negative article a few years ago about UCLA that said that they tried to get rid of the option to do a third year for Screenwriting.
This article?

 
Interesting read. If students used to have an optional 3rd year, I could understand how that would make it difficult for graduating 2nd years and 1st year who want to graduate after 2 years, get all of their requirements out of the way. Our workshops are limited to 8 students max and we're on separate TV and feature tracks. I'd be frustrated if people were sticking around and grabbing spots in classes, preventing people from graduating on time...
 
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