Film school at 50?

justinewolf

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I’m 49 and a single mom to a 6-year old - I’ve been making performance and studying screenwriting and filmmaking independently for my whole career, and teach acting at a very high level. I really want to go to film school because I feel like I’m missing some technical know-how and want some structure and support to transition from theater fully into film writing and directing. I’ve made two solid shorts that went to some festivals - nothing amazing but I learned a lot. Where might be a good fit at my age and with my level of experience? I’m very open to international programs. I have a BA and an MFA…thanks for any advice!
 
Film schools have nothing to offer you given your experience. They certainly wont teach you how to go from short to feature or improve your production values. You will have two to three years being taught people who are teaching because they arent working and are mostly employed because they are friends or classmates of the head of department . They use books and youtube videos to teach and only have shorts level or basic industry experience .
There might be senior staff who have been on decent features / docos etc but they wont teach maybe mentor a bit on graduation projects. Thats true for prestigious and national academies as city college type programs. NTFS, UCLA , AFTRS etc all the same. I graduated one of them and taught at two - you can learn to put a short together or basic edititing or some other craft (without wasting years ). They cant teach you structure or technical ability any better than the books you (and they ) read as they dont have anymore experience than you. Write a longer short (or find a better writers script) and get on making it - you'll get further faster. You don't have time to waste at your age so just become a filmmaker like almost the good ones from all the european and american new wave to Chris Nolan and the Duplass brothers watch
 
I don’t agree with this. There is a level of truth to what you’re saying but it’s certainly not a universal truth in film school. I’ve seen film programs like what you describe up close. However, I’m also studying at AFI currently and while it has its problems it has great faculty who are working on real things with serious experience and who will give you time when you need it. Not a single one of them used books or YouTube to teach they just know their stuff from having established careers. They absolutely CAN and do teach structure better than books or the internet and can help you make the transition from short to feature. And 100000% they can improve your production value by teaching you specific visual design tools. I understand your experience with other institutions and I think you’re right to call out for caution on such a large financial and time investment especially with OP having a young child, but I also think you should be ashamed for letting your jadedness tell someone seeking guidance to give up or just jump into doing something they say they feel unready to do. School doesn’t guarantee success and on this you’re right. It’s no golden ticket no matter the prestige. That said, I think sharing a 10 year old video where a major talking point is that indie cinema has moved to TV is frankly unhelpful and a bit disingenuous with current times where tv has all but died off. It illustrates the point that just using YouTube to educate yourself is dangerous without the skill and knowledge to determine what does and doesn’t have value. Yes, as filmmakers trying to create things continuously should be the goal, but I also think there is something to recognizing when your knowledge base is lacking and seeking more knowledge to help you progress.

For OP Justine I would encourage you to maybe instead consider applying to AFI’s DWW+ program which is a tuition free year long directing program for women. It will provide you with the same alumni benefits as if you were a regular AFI student but without the cost and timeframe. You finish with another short. The only real cost is that short which you much fundraiser up to 50k to produce and any lodging needed for the in-person intensive. I worry a more demanding program (this one is still very demanding) would make your life balance too difficult for where you’re at in life.
 
For OP Justine I would encourage you to maybe instead consider applying to AFI’s DWW+ program which is a tuition free year long directing program for women.
That is a neat program! We'll have to look into it and mention it on the site. :)
 
That sounds like one great individual program in one city. Which makes a good point that occasionally there are development lab opportunities or accelerator programs for people caught between self made shorts and something more structured. Beware some turn out to be little more than self advertising for a commercial school where you get short course level with 'industry guidance' from their inhouse instructors. Also there are community orgs like About WMM that offer support and collaborators.
I think I answered the question about filmschools as asked and regards the ops experience. You response KoS is useful in provoking the remembrance that there are community groups and programs for people who would gain little from the recycled youtube academies. AFI does have a reputation for being an industry trainer so it does depend whether the op is interested in a job or making their own films. Most people need both for a while as they progress.
My core point is the same as Duplass's - if you want to make your own films (and with a life of dramatics behind you looks like the choice was made a long time ago) - accumulating more official approvals is just delay.
Few people are ever 'ready' to do something as daunting as a long short or low/no budget feature and like all instructors I spend a lot of my time telling overqualified students ' Just do the first thing - and tell all your friends and colleagues and anyone else you are doing this so 1. you cant back out 2. you create an instant community and are no longer alone.'
Only you will truly know if another year of schooling will be enough (and more importantly in a hopefully focused short term you might find collaborators) or just another excuse for delay.
 
Like I said I hear you and I get your point, but OP has made clear they feel they lack knowledge in film. I have seen film schools like what you are talking about. That was my undergrad and spouses grad experience at a film school in Chicago. There much of the faculty has the same level of or less experience as I do currently as a student which is similar to OPs and absolutely that type of school should be avoided because I agree it won’t help them get the knowledge they want and is just debt that could be used for their own work.

And I do agree there are many an incubator/fellowship, etc. that doesn’t provide anything. There are also many that are worthwhile. The same is true of festivals for those who make a film. It’s really all about research and talking to those with experiences. Which is why I was giving my personal experience in contrast to yours. Yes it’s one program but it’s one I know doesn’t fall into what you’re saying. Similarly, I can advocate for Łodz in Poland (not a good option for OP) as similarly being a great program where students learn from polish masters as I have a close friend who transferred from the Chicago program I mentioned to that program who has gone on to do great things they wouldn’t have if they stayed where they were.

I’m all for people going out and making their own things. That’s what this is all about at the end of the day, but having similarly made shorts and run the mid-tier academy festival qualifiers and working in advertising I get OPs feeling of knowing their stuff but also wanting to expand their knowledge base in a way that just finding opinions and technical videos on the internet wasn’t meeting. So, I’m just pushing back on the idea that all film schools are a waste. Many are, but not all, and I’d hate for OP to be discouraged into giving up finding a way to expand their knowledge if that’s as important to them as it seems.

On that note I wouldn’t encourage OP to make anything narrative much longer than 15 minutes that isn’t a feature…. At least in the US. There was a time where you could do that and it might serve you by showing your abilities at a larger scale than a briefer short, but post COVID with the industry the way it is now that’s just sadly not a way in anymore. Which I also think is a value to finding the right school or program where you have working instructors who can tell you what it’s really like in the industry right now.

Through AFI I’ve been lucky to talk directly with writers like Lauren Wells, Mike Scully, Brent Forrester, Chris Marcil, Karen Janszen, Cindy Caponera and many more who’ve helped not just in terms of technical skills but also the realities of the moment we are in.

I agree ultimately you need to write or make films instead of finding ways to delay them and accountability is huge. I also believe being realistic with yourself and establishing a long term plan with smaller goals is equally important. That’s part of why I recommended OP check out DWW+ it will provide education and a network while also baking in accountability to actually continue on their path of making things. Is that right for them? I don’t know, but if it’s something that can help them along I’m happy to pass it along for them to decide.

I do apologize for coming out hot, but I also want OP to feel supported in their search for answers. Ultimately I want as many people to succeed as possible which I’m sure we share.
 
For OP Justine I would encourage you to maybe instead consider applying to AFI’s DWW+ program which is a tuition free year long directing program for women. It will provide you with the same alumni benefits as if you were a regular AFI student but without the cost and timeframe. You finish with another short. The only real cost is that short which you much fundraiser up to 50k to produce and any lodging needed for the in-person intensive. I worry a more demanding program (this one is still very demanding) would make your life balance too difficult for where you’re at in life.
Added to the article. Thanks for the tip! :)

 
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