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AFI 2019 Screenwriting

On the topic of waiting — come on, guys, the exact date makes it so much easier! We all know the day we will meet our fate.
Personally, I'm a lot more teased by unspecified decisions dates, like with LMU Writing for the Screen. Some people got their acceptance letters, but there's no way to know exactly when it's over and if you've made it or not.
 
On the topic of waiting — come on, guys, the exact date makes it so much easier! We all know the day we will meet our fate.
Personally, I'm a lot more teased by unspecified decisions dates, like with LMU Writing for the Screen. Some people got their acceptance letters, but there's no way to know exactly when it's over and if you've made it or not.
Yes, I 100% agree with you. I would just like it to be sooner. But yes even if it made it a week later, I’d take it over the maddening unknown.
 
We’re in the final week of waiting. Best of luck to everyone as we wait for Friday to decide our respective fates (in a good, non-stressful way of course). 5 days
We’re in the final week of waiting. Best of luck to everyone as we wait for Friday to decide our respective fates (in a good, non-stressful way of course). 5 days

Yep, gonna be a lot of emotion here in 5 days. Everyone good luck!
 
What are you guys plan Bs just curious. I think it actually helps everyone thinking about our alternatives. What are you planning to do to keep improve your writing should you be rejected?
 
What are you guys plan Bs just curious. I think it actually helps everyone thinking about our alternatives. What are you planning to do to keep improve your writing should you be rejected?

I'm also waiting for NYU decision. If all else fails, I got accepted to LMU, so.... what about you?
 
What are you guys plan Bs just curious. I think it actually helps everyone thinking about our alternatives. What are you planning to do to keep improve your writing should you be rejected?
My plan B would definitely be NYU, followed by Columbia (although I can’t help but flip flop those two schools every day, they are both sooooo good). If by some unfortunate, although equally possible, outcome I’m not accepted to any of those 3 schools, I have already been accepted into Boston. AFI is my favorite choice by far though.
 
What are you guys plan Bs just curious. I think it actually helps everyone thinking about our alternatives. What are you planning to do to keep improve your writing should you be rejected?
What is your plan B though?
 
My plan B would definitely be NYU, followed by Columbia (although I can’t help but flip flop those two schools every day, they are both sooooo good). If by some unfortunate, although equally possible, outcome I’m not accepted to any of those 3 schools, I have already been accepted into Boston. AFI is my favorite choice by far though.

So that NYU interview didn't make you change your mind THAT much, after all? I remember your post in the NYU thread. Cause I'm 50/50 between AFI and NYU after my interview with the latter, tbh. I'd love to see a nice comparison of those programs, as I couldn't find any :(. Or do a separate thread on that comparison, perhaps.
 
So that NYU interview didn't make you change your mind THAT much, after all? I remember your post in the NYU thread. Cause I'm 50/50 between AFI and NYU after my interview with the latter, tbh. I'd love to see a nice comparison of those programs, as I couldn't find any :(. Or do a separate thread on that comparison, perhaps.
NYU definitely jumped up in my ideal rankings after my interview. The reason being that it is more of a writing focused program, which is more of my concern than the actual filmmaking aspect, although both are very important in the grand scheme of things career wise. Mostly I view living in LA as one of the important aspects that I considered while looking for MFA programs. I figured being surrounded by the industry while studying would be very beneficial to my career long term. Whereas living in NYC would be cool, but it is cold there. Which is actually a big part of my decision, even though it feels superficial to say that. Overall, AFI and USC were my top 2 and even then I still ranked AFI higher on my list due to their willingness to create more experimental type films versus USC’s commercialized approach to film. Overall, it depends on where I get accepted but seeing as I’m definitley out in the USC race, AFI has become my clear cut favorite and overall first hope. The waiting game is never easy though. I figure these next 5 days may be rough on my sanity.
 
NYU definitely jumped up in my ideal rankings after my interview. The reason being that it is more of a writing focused program, which is more of my concern than the actual filmmaking aspect, although both are very important in the grand scheme of things career wise. Mostly I view living in LA as one of the important aspects that I considered while looking for MFA programs. I figured being surrounded by the industry while studying would be very beneficial to my career long term. Whereas living in NYC would be cool, but it is cold there. Which is actually a big part of my decision, even though it feels superficial to say that. Overall, AFI and USC were my top 2 and even then I still ranked AFI higher on my list due to their willingness to create more experimental type films versus USC’s commercialized approach to film. Overall, it depends on where I get accepted but seeing as I’m definitley out in the USC race, AFI has become my clear cut favorite and overall first hope. The waiting game is never easy though. I figure these next 5 days may be rough on my sanity.

Yeah, their philosophy of teaching those three mediums simultaneously is what makes me extremely curious. With AFI, I'm fascinated by the prospect of making three shorts in that first year. So at the end of the day, it's pure writing vs. seeing your work come to life.

NYU being so far from Hollywood was the main reason I regarded it as my second choice after AFI for quite some time. However, Shinho Lee put it in an interesting perspective during our interview. According to him, it's better to take in all the culture in NY, mature and polish your work and only then go to Hollywood. I guess it's 50/50 between that and engaging as early as possible.

What really made me think a lot is the way I felt after my interview with Shinho — just simply great, very comfortable and inspired. Maybe it's important to sort of follow my heart on this one.
 
Yeah, their philosophy of teaching those three mediums simultaneously is what makes me extremely curious. With AFI, I'm fascinated by the prospect of making three shorts in that first year. So at the end of the day, it's pure writing vs. seeing your work come to life.

NYU being so far from Hollywood was the main reason I regarded it as my second choice after AFI for quite some time. However, Shinho Lee put it in an interesting perspective during our interview. According to him, it's better to take in all the culture in NY, mature and polish your work and only then go to Hollywood. I guess it's 50/50 between that and engaging as early as possible.

What really made me think a lot is the way I felt after my interview with Shinho — just simply great, very comfortable and inspired. Maybe it's important to sort of follow my heart on this one.
It sounds like he brought up a great point. In my interview with Richard Wesley, he mentioned how the film culture in NYC is more experienced in that the people who produce films in NYC are the same ones who worked in LA for years before moving back home to NYC. Essentially, the film culture in NYC is existent, but it’s of a different nature than LA. It seems like the opportunities in LA range from entry to the tip top of the food chain, whereas NYC provides a variety of positions but with really experienced professionals.
 
It sounds like he brought up a great point. In my interview with Richard Wesley, he mentioned how the film culture in NYC is more experienced in that the people who produce films in NYC are the same ones who worked in LA for years before moving back home to NYC. Essentially, the film culture in NYC is existent, but it’s of a different nature than LA. It seems like the opportunities in LA range from entry to the tip top of the food chain, whereas NYC provides a variety of positions but with really experienced professionals.

Oh, that's another thing to consider, something I've never thought about. I wonder, though, what opportunities exactly do they have there (definitely not with Amazon Studios lol).
 
Yeah, their philosophy of teaching those three mediums simultaneously is what makes me extremely curious. With AFI, I'm fascinated by the prospect of making three shorts in that first year. So at the end of the day, it's pure writing vs. seeing your work come to life.

NYU being so far from Hollywood was the main reason I regarded it as my second choice after AFI for quite some time. However, Shinho Lee put it in an interesting perspective during our interview. According to him, it's better to take in all the culture in NY, mature and polish your work and only then go to Hollywood. I guess it's 50/50 between that and engaging as early as possible.

What really made me think a lot is the way I felt after my interview with Shinho — just simply great, very comfortable and inspired. Maybe it's important to sort of follow my heart on this one.
First I want to jump into the discussion comparing NYU with AFI. Over the past 2 years, although not attending NYU, I had some quite substantial experience with this institution by working with its students on various projects and took two of its summer writing courses (for the two summer writing courses, I was the only non-NYU student, one is an undergrad class and the other one is mainly all grads, with an entire class of MFA/MBA students).
What I also have to say before I detail all my experience with NYU is that I have gotten rejected twice (last year and presumably this year), both without an interview, from the MFA film program. So please know that, despite my effort to be fair, there is almost an unavoidable sour grape factor in what I am about to say.
I moved to NYC after my college graduation solely for the purpose of attending its MFA program. I enrolled the fore-mentioned two writing courses, Intro to Dramatic Writing by Paul Thompson and Short Scripts by Ken Friedman. I had an amazing experience in both of those courses. Paul Thompson is a celebrity teacher in NYU with deep acting background. Friedman is the head of the NYU grad script writing. So it is fair to say that they are a good representation of NYU's teaching body. Excuse me for not being very modest but I believed both teachers liked my scripts a lot and I got an A from both classes. Fried seemed very happy after knowing that I was about to apply to his program that summer and offered to write me a recommendation letter without my asking, which I gladly accepted.
What was unexpected from both classes, however, was how poorly most other NYU students wrote. For Thompson's writing class it was understandable because it was an entry level undergrad class and a lot of the students were not even from film major (they were either wavering or just came here for fun). But for the grad duo-majors, it was obvious that writing was not their strong suit. That class being mandatory, all the duo-majors (of one year, I forgot which) took it together in the summer, which might have been an easy way to get it over with.
Another thing that felt strange to me at the time was how often LGBTQ and minority themes were flaring up in those two classes. I'm an Asian living in the U.S. so I think it grants me some right to comment on this issue. LGBTQ and minority issues have my fullest respect but it felt to me that these themes were flooding the NYU students' body of work. For the Short Script class, I think over half of the scripts the students end up writing were on such topics. Again there is nothing wrong with such topics themselves, but the apparently easy acceptance of works bearing such topics as quality writing almost unavoidably encouraged more writers to write on such topics than the actual number of people who cared.
Overall, what I have mentioned above does not constitute an ounce of real evidence but they did start to make me suspect that NYU's admission was curating a certain taste or attitude in its prospective attendees. And I found out about the portfolios of other admitted students only strengthened my suspicion, that two out of two incoming grad students I knew made film about left wing issues. My conclusion is this: NYU's writing teachers are every capable and helpful, but the students that the admission likely to favor are more often opinionated than not.
 
NYU definitely jumped up in my ideal rankings after my interview. The reason being that it is more of a writing focused program, which is more of my concern than the actual filmmaking aspect, although both are very important in the grand scheme of things career wise. Mostly I view living in LA as one of the important aspects that I considered while looking for MFA programs. I figured being surrounded by the industry while studying would be very beneficial to my career long term. Whereas living in NYC would be cool, but it is cold there. Which is actually a big part of my decision, even though it feels superficial to say that. Overall, AFI and USC were my top 2 and even then I still ranked AFI higher on my list due to their willingness to create more experimental type films versus USC’s commercialized approach to film. Overall, it depends on where I get accepted but seeing as I’m definitley out in the USC race, AFI has become my clear cut favorite and overall first hope. The waiting game is never easy though. I figure these next 5 days may be rough on my sanity.
I do want to offer a different perspective on that. NYU's dramatic writing is undoubtably more writing focused (and they do produce scripts for the screen) but you will be surprised how little a proportion of the MFA Film students are writer-minded people. Most of whom I know want to cover as many professions as possible i.e. directing, editing, cinematography, acting...
NYU dose not differentiate its film students like AFI does and if only considering writing, I think AFI's screenwriting is still a better place to be than NYU
 
Yeah, their philosophy of teaching those three mediums simultaneously is what makes me extremely curious. With AFI, I'm fascinated by the prospect of making three shorts in that first year. So at the end of the day, it's pure writing vs. seeing your work come to life.

NYU being so far from Hollywood was the main reason I regarded it as my second choice after AFI for quite some time. However, Shinho Lee put it in an interesting perspective during our interview. According to him, it's better to take in all the culture in NY, mature and polish your work and only then go to Hollywood. I guess it's 50/50 between that and engaging as early as possible.

What really made me think a lot is the way I felt after my interview with Shinho — just simply great, very comfortable and inspired. Maybe it's important to sort of follow my heart on this one.
"the culture of NYC" is an interesting topic. I spoke to a NYU girl who lived in Brooklyn for 6 years and she complained about how she was pressured to dress in that "Brooklyn" look. Have a walk in that district (or the streets around Tisch, for that matter) and you will know what I mean. I still love the city in many ways but I do think the film student crowd is more monotone than most people would expect.
 
I do want to offer a different perspective on that. NYU's dramatic writing is undoubtably more writing focused (and they do produce scripts for the screen) but you will be surprised how little a proportion of the MFA Film students are writer-minded people. Most of whom I know want to cover as many professions as possible i.e. directing, editing, cinematography, acting...
NYU dose not differentiate its film students like AFI does and if only considering writing, I think AFI's screenwriting is still a better place to be than NYU
That's really interesting to hear, aside from the fact that AFI was always going to be my overwhelming first choice regardless of whatever else, I had believed and accepted that their writing program was going to be more integrated with the whole of film and less focused on the craft of writing itself. In a respect, this has always been one of the appealing aspects to AFI's program as it allows for you to actually work on a set with fellows from other disciplines. However, being that my writing was by far the most important thing I had considered when examining prospective grad schools, I assumed that NYU would rank higher in that regard (seeing as it is a three tiered program that focuses on a variety of different subjects, I mean sketch writing seems to me like such a cool course). However, seeing that AFI was already one of my top choices and reading your thoughts on the respective writing programs, I'm happy to say AFI went up in my book even more. Although that does make waiting over the next 5 days very hard lol.
 
@Dean

First of all, thanks for sharing! It really benefits to see different perspectives. I've got to ask, though, why did you apply two years in a row? I mean, you do sound critical of a quite a few aspects of studying at Dramatic Writing.

By the way, it's my second attempt, too. I got virtually ignored in four schools the first time around. I know how crushing it feels, but hey — the protagonist must go through the ordeal and so on in order to ultimately prevail ;-)
 
I found all these thoughts helpful.
For me, I'm hoping AFI works out, it's my first choice. USC and it were tied, because I like the sound of AFI's program and USC because I figured it was the best known in the industry and might give me more internship possibilities. I don't know that that's actually the case though. And I don't think I know as much about their program. THat said, if I got into both it'd be hard to decide. I applied to a few other schools, but if I don't get in anywhere then I plan to try to get some work in the industry or industry adjacent keep writing like a mother- and see what happens. I want to produce some material and maybe I'll apply again next year and maybe I'll be working another way in.

Just to throw in my two cents about NYU, I think that the program there is supposed to be good. I don't like that the film department and the writing department don't seem to officially talk or collaborate at all. I think you'd have to work to make those things happen on your own, but I do think you could make it happen. A possible downside to NYU is that *if you want to live and work in LA after school, NYU would give you more connections in NYC, but obviously tons of NYU grads move to and work in LA, so just something to consider. I've meet a few students from there, and while I don't know their writing, they are all smart cookies. They seem to really like the program and teachers. There are some classes they said were more effective than others, but I think that's anywhere. That said, I don't know these students well, but they seemed to be happy with their decision to attend there.

I hope we all get in at AFI, and wherever else we've applied and have the burden of choice come Friday. :)
 
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